Thursday, August 14, 2014

Pathetic

Obama adjusts Iraq narrative, now blames Bush for troop withdrawal.

He must believe we totally forgot when he said this..




Or maybe he forgot that he said it.  Or maybe he just lies about every damn thing he wants to lie about.
He uttered those (words) after three years, and a successful re-election campaign, in which the full removal of U.S. forces from Iraq was cast as this White House’s most significant foreign policy achievement and one Mr. Obama had promised all the way back to the earliest days of his first presidential campaign in 2008.
Now, however, with the terrorist force the Islamic State running roughshod through Iraq, capturing key territory, slaughtering Christians and promising to “raise the flag of Allah at the White House,” Mr. Obama has begun to adjust the narrative.
We are in for another round of Obama blaming Bush for failing to pick up a pen and put it in Obama's hand and help move Obama's hand so Obama could sign a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq.  But Bush never picked up a pen and put it in Obama;s hand, so the SOFA didn't get signed and now Iraq is a bloody mess, over-run with end-of-the-worlders from ISIS.

Obama is a pathetic liar.  But hey, that's just me talking.  You might believe he is a truth-teller and a light-bringer.

Here's a golden oldie.

94 comments:

KCFleming said...

The Secret Service has recently been seen carrying fire extinguishers, and closely eyeing Obama's pants.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

I blame Bush for the Iraq war and for every subsequent fuck-up. He was warned and he choose to ignore those warnings. He had plenty of time to resolve the conflict during his presidency and he failed.

Dad Bones said...

I blame al-Qaeda.

chickelit said...

It's not just that Obama's a liar -- there's a large contingency of his followers (some of whom will read this and perhaps respond here) who will lie to protect him at all costs.

It's an amazing and brash attempt to alter living memory.

chickelit said...

AReasonableMan said...
I blame Bush for the Iraq war and for every subsequent fuck-up. He was warned and he choose to ignore those warnings. He had plenty of time to resolve the conflict during his presidency and he failed.

Heh. Here's one now.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

chickelit said...
Heh. Here's one now.


When you call someone a liar in the future try to have the facts on your side, otherwise you simply look foolish.

Michael Haz said...

It never ceases to amuse how Obamaphiles cannot find an objective way to look at what Obama says or does without referring in some way to George W Bush.

Amusing and pathetic.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Michael Haz said...
It never ceases to amuse how Obamaphiles cannot find an objective way to look at what Obama says or does without referring in some way to George W Bush.


I am reminded of the Biblical quote: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

ricpic said...

Name the plank you putz.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

The plank is the unnecessary Iraq war.

Michael Haz said...

The war most congressional Democrats wanted and voted for? That Iraq war? The war that the UN supported? That war?

Odd how you never mention that.

ricpic said...

Hey ARM, you were against ANY response to 9/11, because "what did we do to deserve it?"

Michael Haz said...

But you're totes okay with the war in Afghanistan, right?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

The war that was justified on the basis of lies and faulty intelligence, a con job played out on the gullible. A majority of Dems voted against the war and, the UN never sanctioned the war.

Trooper York said...

You are entitled to blame Bush all you want about getting us into the war but Obama has been ruining this for going on two terms. When is he responsible for anything?

Do you have even one criticism for how Obama has handled Iraq ARM?

Trooper York said...

Sorry I meant to say "running" but autocorrect switched it to ruining!

These I-pads are really smart.

edutcher said...

Like Willie, he believes every lie he told before he even told it.

I blame Bush for the Iraq war and for every subsequent fuck-up. He was warned and he choose to ignore those warnings. He had plenty of time to resolve the conflict during his presidency and he failed.

He did just that, but you were too busy yelling, "Bush lied".

The war that was justified on the basis of lies and faulty intelligence, a con job played out on the gullible.

You mean the same intel the rest of the world believed, including Willie?

The same intel that turned out to be right after all?

The "con job played out on the gullible" was the whole torture, Bush lied nonsense.

A majority of Dems voted against the war and, the UN never sanctioned the war.

Wow, there's an indictment.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trooper York said...

Do you have even one criticism for how Obama has handled Iraq ARM?


Yes, he should have appointed Cheney and Rumsfeld as co-viceroys of Iraq with Bremer as their factotum and made it clear that all future problems in that region were their problem.

Unfortunately he decided to take the high road.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

edutcher said...
Wow, there's an indictment.


Remind again how the Iraq war was in America's strategic interests?


To your credit you are a true believer. I doubt even Bush thinks the war was a good idea at this point, although I have no doubt that Cheney still does.

edutcher said...

Remind again how the Iraq war was in America's strategic interests?

Ah, lessee now

Ridding the world of a wager of aggressive warfare

Ridding the world of a strong sponsor and supporter of terrorist groups

Boxing in Iran

WMDs (which, as we all know now, were there), including a new cache found by IS

bagoh20 said...

We all cried when Saddam was hanged. A good man just doing his best for his people. He kept the peace, and only killed 4 million people. We could use some leadership like that right now.

WWMD

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

edutcher said...
Boxing in Iran


By neutralizing their strongest regional rival? Or, by installing a pro-Iran Shia government?

William said...

A variety of tactics and strategies have been tried in the Middle East, and they have all failed. The one constant factor has not been American policy but Muslim stupidity. Can someone, Dem or Republican, tell me how to negotiate effectively with someone who blows up a group of children at an ice cream truck?......There are a lot of crazy fuckers in that neighborhood and anything you do--either in opposition or in appeasement--just makes them crazier.

Tank said...

AReasonableMan said...

I blame Bush for the Iraq war and for every subsequent fuck-up. He was warned and he choose to ignore those warnings. He had plenty of time to resolve the conflict during his presidency and he failed.

While Bush's failings and mistakes are legion, this post was about what a lying, piece of shit, con man Zero is. You did not address that issue. Like Obama, you want to talk about something else.

William said...

Kissinger made the Shah the linchpin of his middle eastern policy. The Shah was brutal and corrupt, which is true of nearly all the leaders in that part f the world. His fatal flaw, however, was that he was supportive of western values and--relatively speaking--increased woman's rights. Even worse, he was sympathetic to Israel and an ally of the US. There were far worse dictators, but none got a worse press. The left rejoiced in his overthrow....,Most of the bad things that happened in the Middle East happened as a result of the fall of the Shah. Saddam would never have dared to invade Iran were they still an ally of the US. Perhaps the Shah would have been able develop Iran with a more moderate and successful model.......The left has a shorter memory than an Obama speechwriter. At one time, the left claimed that Chiang's Taiwan and the South Korea run by the generals were corrupt, fascistic states that the US should abandon. Both South Korea and Taiwan are now democracies with a higher standard of living than in Western Europe. This is no thanks to the left.

Trooper York said...

That's the thing with extremists like ARM. They have never found anything to criticize Obama about because they can not admit that he has done anything wrong.

They are committing genocide against Christians and other non-Muslims in Iraq when we can save them with a very limited air campaign to open a safe corridor to the Kurds and Obama doesn't give a shit. He would rather golf and raise money.

But then he did the same thing when they were dragging our Ambassador through the streets. So youse a favorite golf term it is par for the course.

edutcher said...

By neutralizing their strongest regional rival? Or, by installing a pro-Iran Shia government?

How 'bout by putting American troops on their doorstep?

And getting rid of Saddam neutralized nothing. He was the one who got his clock cleaned in the Iran-Iraq War.

The Shias make up 2/3 of Iraq, so putting them in charge was hardly pro-Iran. More a way to put the pro-Saddam Sunnas in the back seat.

(he always has to lie about stuff...)

Rabel said...

ARM,

If I accept your premise that Bush is the cause of all the current troubles in the Middle East, I'm still left with a situation which seems intolerable to both the left and the right.

That situation is the rise of fanatical Islamism highlighted by the organized and militarized force that is ISIS and the lack of a counterforce force to defeat it.

What, in your Aristotelian reasonableness, would you offer as a solution?

Trooper York said...

ARM has no solutions. No answers. Nothing except excuses for Obama and blame shifting to prior administrations.

They can never point to a mistake Obama has made. They will just lie. Just as Michael Haz has pointed out in this post.

Did you know that Obama has halted the resupply of Israel because of his support of Muslim fanaticism and his enmity toward Bibi and the Jews. They have stopped the military from resupplying Israel under existing contracts because they want to help Hamas.

Rabel said...

"ARM has no solutions."

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I'm sure he's not afraid to go on record.

Trooper York said...

Of course he is afraid to go on the record. Because his solutions would be to let the Christians and other minorities die. Because Bush or some other bullshit.

Obama fellators can not post what they might think are reasonable actions because they know that the Zero will do nothing but play golf and raise money.

Blame Bush 24/7. That's all they got.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

When you look at most presidencies about 90% of what gets done would have been done by any other president, largely because of all the constraints on their actions. The 10% exception in Obama's case is almost completely restricted to Obamacare and even here most Democrat presidents would have done something similar.

Bush took his 10% of freedom to invade Iraq. It was an insane decision, the most reckless use of US military force that I am aware of.

Obama's actions in Iraq largely reflect conventional wisdom, which is attempting to make the best of a bad situation. They haven't worked very well.

I favor Biden's original proposal, splitting the country into three. There is an argument that the relative peace in Europe in recent decades compared to previous centuries is that they finally managed to draw the lines to satisfy most of the ethno-religious identities in the region. Much the same thing seems to be playing out in the middle east. I think Obama's decision to try to keep Iraq intact was the wrong decision. Now that they are arming the Kurds I guess we will see if the alternative is any better.

bagoh20 said...

I don't think the objectives or original outcome of the Iraq war was a mistake, although our policy during and afterward has been seriously flawed just like in Vietnam.

Every President is burdened with the mistakes of his predecessors, but I never saw any President blame others like this guy, and in obvious lies where he takes credit for stuff he later claims not to be responsibility for. It's absurd to ignore or minimize that, no matter which partisan side you are on. It must be a thing where liars all support each other. If you get enough of them together, you have a Democrat Party / Press complex.

Trooper York said...

This is the classic liberal bullshit that the President can't do anything and that the invisible hand of the past constrains him or something.

It would be as if Lincoln refused to do anything about Secession because James Buchanan fucked up or Reagan refusing to confront the Soviet Union because Jimmy Carter was a wimpy dipshit. Presidents lead. Obama famously wants to lead from behind.

I think there really is a simple explanation.

Obama is one lazy fuck.

His problem is when Americans can see the genocide of thousands of Christians on their TV it is impossible for him to vote "Present."

Trooper York said...

Can't he just eat his waffle?

bagoh20 said...

Stopping Saddam and ousting him was the conventional wisdom of that time and for years preceding the war. Go back and look at the videos of all major Dems saying that. Both Clintons, Kerry, and most others were telling us how unacceptable and serious the Iraq situation was. Of course being a modern liberal means never having to remember or accept responsibility for what you say or do.

bagoh20 said...

Bush was the best thing that ever happened to the Dems. With his election:

* They got to avoid taking responsibility for Clinton's mistakes that led to 9/11

* They didn't have to be in the Executive when everything they were calling for needed done.

*They could do their best to screw it up when Bush had to do it during and after, and then claim credit for fixing it, except they just kept screwing it up.

They couldn't let go of that compulsion to fuck things up, so now they simply claim no responsibility and pretend Bush is still President. Lame

Rabel said...

"I favor Biden's original proposal, splitting the country into three."

That would require mass relocations of the intermixed population. Who is going to do that? Why should we expect ISIS to respect the new borders?

I was hoping you would offer a solution, not wishful thinking.

As for your European example, it has some small validity in regard to central Europe, but I would point out the efforts of the Red Army in separating those ethnicities (Slavs and Germanics in particular) into manageable states and the demilitarization of Germany by the allies.

Neither the Reds nor the Western allies nor even the UN seem to be available at the present time to enforce a breakup of Iraq.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

bagoh20 said...
Bush was the best thing that ever happened to the Dems.


He is the best thing that ever happened to people who couldn't afford health insurance or were locked out of the insurance market because of pre-existing conditions. Without Bush they would probably still be uninsured, he gave the Dems the supermajority in the Senate.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Rabel said...
I was hoping you would offer a solution, not wishful thinking.


As far as I can see the split up is currently in progress rather than wishful thinking. Once the Kurds have equivalent arms to the Iraq army they aren't going back. That leaves it to the Shia and Sunni's to either settle or split, which option looks more likely to you at the moment? I would anticipate a lot ethnic cleansing before the Iraq war is finally finished.

It is a dynamic problem, the aspirations of the various parties change over time as do those of the surrounding interested parties. Turkey originally opposed an independent Kurdistan, now they seem to accept it. With that hurdle removed and decent armaments Kurdistan is an independent country in everything other than name.

William said...

I am struck by ARM's piety and devotion to liberal talking points. There are those who might maintain that LBJ's involvement in Vietnam was a larger blunder than Bush 's move into Iraq, but, of course, he thinks that it was all Nixon's fault--as were all the excesses commmitted by Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese....,.Plenty more atrocities will be committed in the Middle East, and they will all ultimately be Bush's fault. There is no evil anywhere in the world that is not Bush's fault.

Rabel said...

"As far as I can see the split up is currently in progress rather than wishful thinking."

You're mistaking a conquest for a split.

"I would anticipate a lot ethnic cleansing before the Iraq war is finally finished."

And you're OK with the mass murder that would entail?

There's only one solution other than submission and everyone knows what it is.

The severed heads are talking to us and we should listen.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Rabel said...
And you're OK with the mass murder that would entail?


Hey, I didn't start the Iraq war. I protested against it. This is Bush's legacy.

I only became really interested in politics in the lead up to the Iraq war, I couldn't believe the nonsense I was hearing.



Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

William said...
I am struck by ARM's piety and devotion to liberal talking points. There are those who might maintain that LBJ's involvement in Vietnam


LBJ was brought to heel by the left over Vietnam when he was otherwise the most effective president they had had since FDR. Hard to blame them for not doing enough.

Unknown said...

Arm still has not said one word about obamas take all credit take back blame and lieathon

Unknown said...

The health insurance fuck up is not part of the topic .

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

bagoh20 said...
Stopping Saddam and ousting him was the conventional wisdom of that time


No it wasn't. A majority of Democrats and a majority of nations opposed the war. In addition the war had nothing to do with responding to 9/11, which should have been the primary focus of our foreign policy at the time.

Rabel said...

"Hey, I didn't start the Iraq war."

Can I take that as a yes?

Unknown said...

Arm is reasonable. Memory hole the footage, blame bush, and celebrate the top 8 largest insurance mega corps raking in tax payer funded bailouts all in the name of universal fascism.

Unknown said...

I especially like the footage of the biggest f#ng moron for a VP we have ever suffered - Joe Biden - proclaiming Iraq as Obama's greatest success.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Rabel said...
Can I take that as a yes?


It is odd that the people who started the war, failed to think through its implications and botched its execution now, finally, give a rat's ass about the Iraqi people.

Better late than never I guess.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

April Apple said...
The health insurance fuck up is not part of the topic .


I think it will ultimately be seen as Bush's most enduring achievement.

Rabel said...

"It is odd that the people who started the war, failed to think through its implications and botched its execution now, finally, give a rat's ass about the Iraqi people."

That assumes facts not in evidence.

Please address, if you wish, the current reality.

bagoh20 said...

Look a squirrel! Well I did see one 6 years ago, so ...



Does Obama pay people to comment on blogs and change the subject, or do they just do it out of love for the lightworker?

Trooper York said...

They love him bags. More than the Constitution. More than truth. More than their integrity. More than anything.

It is remarkable really.

There is only one other person who inspires the same level of cult like emotion. Charles Manson.

Trooper York said...

I expect ARM to cut a Obama Button tattoo in his forehead.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Oh, you guys!

You're such kidders when you have conceded the argument.

I hope you kept all those Bush for President stickers. They are going to be worth something someday.

Trooper York said...

Concede what argument?

That what has gone on for the six years of the Obama Presidency was the fault and at the direction of President Bush? That Obama has no responsibility for the giant fucking mess that he made of what was already a giant fucking mess?

What are you? A nincompoop?

Michael Haz said...

Blaming Bush for what happens during Obama's presidency is actually a way of calling Obama incompetent.

Obama has had 5.5 years to change things for the better, including two years with a majority in both houses of Congress. He hasn't been competent in solving problems; the problems remain, he blames his predecessor for his own failures.

Trooper York said...

Blaming Bush for the all of the failures of the Obama administration is childish nonsense. You know. Liberalism.

Lydia said...

I always thought Bill Clinton made a good case for the Iraq War -- in 1998:

Iraq must agree and soon, to free, full, unfettered access to these [WMD] sites anywhere in the country. There can be no dilution or diminishment of the integrity of the inspection system that UNSCOM has put in place.

Now those terms are nothing more or less than the essence of what he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War. The Security Council, many times since, has reiterated this standard. If he accepts them, force will not be necessary. If he refuses or continues to evade his obligations through more tactics of delay and deception, he and he alone will be to blame for the consequences.


and

Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply, and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?

Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction.

And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who's really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too.


and

In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

Amartel said...

OblamerFanBoyParrot blames Bush
"Duurrrh, ah blem Booosh. Durrh."

I blame Clinton for refusing to put out minor-league fires before they turned into raging infernos (would've been inconvenient for Team Clinton) and leaving Bush to clean up the mess. Just like Carter and LBJ before him and Future Obama. As usual, the vile Democrat POTUS will leave the nation worse off than when he was swept into office by the multitudes of parasites and morons and scolds who just can't seem to live their own lives. Can't get up in the morning and go to work (work?), can't feed themselves properly or decide what to watch on tv much less interact with other members of the species, without detailed guidance and guidelines from the State. Favoring them, of course.

In Obama's case we're going to be much, much, much worse off; we don't even know at this point how bad it's going to be due to all the "transparency." Retard Nation will just lay it off on the next POTUS unless it's Moomoo Clinton and then the Bush-bashing will be held over for at least another four years. Durrrrh.

Obama's your hero. The Hero of the Incurably Stupid.

bagoh20 said...

ARM,
You conceded the argument with your first comment. You couldn't even make one about the subject at hand, but had to go back to the lamest of the lame: blame Bush.

The issue is a President who only kept one single campaign promise which he paraded around with like a Kardashian with a new boyfriend, only to pretend now he had nothing to do with it. He has lied to you about everything now, even the promise he kept. Yes, we are all so proud of his brave leadership. A true role model. The man has an unbroken record of failure in everything except getting LIV's to vote for him.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Will there be any Republicans up for the job of rescuing us from the legacy of President "Uh-uh-uh"?

I'm starting to realize what you mean about Democrats lacking character.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Obama is one lazy fuck.

His problem is when Americans can see the genocide of thousands of Christians on their TV it is impossible for him to vote "Present."


Lol! You fucking nailed it!

Thanks for putting the screws to Obama and getting us to finally see the costs of indefinite indecisiveness. They're as bad as boldly committing oneself to a fuck-up.

Plenty more atrocities will be committed in the Middle East, and they will all ultimately be Bush's fault. There is no evil anywhere in the world that is not Bush's fault.

I lay fault with a certain group in the region… Let's call them "Muzzies". And people can endlessly debate over whether to completely disengage or to treat it like post-war Tokyo, or some version in between. But what I'm finally getting with Obama is that endlessly debating is just as bad. The guy is a total sub, just like those who taught him and his father wanted them to be.

Fuck submission! Just make a fucking bold decision FFS from time to time. I don't even think I care what that is at this point.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

ARM is unfortunately using the excuse of "no good options" to deny the fact that Obama doesn't want to do a fucking thing. About anything.

He sees the world as a big, cool kaleidoscopic place and needs to be replaced by someone who will at least stick up for American values, regardless of what our might will allow.

Obama is a big, sniveling moral pussy. You guys were right. It's one thing to balance interests and priorities. It's another thing to excuse away evil and blame its existence on the other guy.

Obama can blow a horse.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Obama is never more careful in how he chooses his words than when it comes to the possibility of offending a terrorist. What a damn child.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You are entitled to blame Bush all you want about getting us into the war but Obama has been ruining this for going on two terms. When is he responsible for anything?

Perhaps we could hold him responsible for his stutter reflex. With every "..uh.." I keep hearing "I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE! I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE! PLEASE GOD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO NOT OFFEND ANYONE!"

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Bagoh, I am shocked, shocked to learn that a Washington politician might take credit for something when it seems like it might not be a complete disaster and then blame his predecessor when it turns out to be the complete disaster that everyone had anticipated all along. Shocked.

The issue is what Obama could have done in Iraq that would have produced a better outcome, given the realties of Iraq and the political constraints at home. I haven't heard anyone advance a credible alternative. I have already stated that Obama's policies have failed to produce a united Iraq. I doubt that any realistic policy is capable of producing such an outcome.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Well, at least you hold him to standards no higher than any other politician.

I'm just not sure if that's what the world needs right now.

Rabel said...

Syrian Kurds evacuated most of the Yazidi's off of Mount Sinjar by walking then north into Syria.

Our President took credit for that today.

Rabel said...

And he probably knew that before he sent a 20 man recon team in for a few hours yesterday.

The mountain is about 35 miles by 5 miles in size, open terrain. We can see any significant movement in real time.

I'm thinking he would not have sent our guys in if the situation had not cleared, because a bad report would have required action on his part.

chickelit said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

Perhaps we could hold him responsible for his stutter reflex. With every "..uh.."

I worked a few "ah's" into my vocal impression of Obama a while ago: link.

I was actually reading the President's real remarks transcribed at some event where his speech didn't show.

XRay said...

ARM, you're so predictable.

R&B, though, you're scaring me. Though I'm as yet unsure if you're not just trying a higher level of sarcasm.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

XRay said...
ARM, you're so predictable.


With R@B's turn towards the dark side all you've got now is me and Titus to disturb your world view. It will be a lonely place when we are gone.

Rabel said...

Don't be dissin' phx.

And we can always summon the lesser demon from the seventh level of Hell herself. Or a Dirty Bird.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Blogger Rabel said...
Don't be dissin' phx.


He hasn't been around for a long time, I'm afraid he is lost.

The Dude said...

Are you saying you aren't Titus, ARM? Your inability to tell "@" from "&" would seem to indicate that you are in fact a Fen dweller.

Aridog said...

ARM .... I am almost amused by your remarks vis a vis LBJ and Vietnam, then Bush43 and Iraq. I was part of the Army for both of those wars. Where do you get your information? I got mine first hand, at times very personally. Institutionalized bureaucrats with self-interest foremost on their minds, plus crony profits, ran those wars and you will never hear their names but for a very few.

LBJ had the worst advice possible from virtual idiots on warfare (Komer and McNamara) and so did Bush43 (Cheney and Rumsfeld), and both Presidents, with every good intention, were lead down a garden path of bullshit by crony capital participants in both wars. Fucking Cheney and Bush were both Nixon West Wingers for G-d's sake...how much more do you need to know? Quite frankly, if not for their naiveté's in listening to their close advisors, previously named, both LBJ and Bush were good Presidents, and I voted for both of them. In LBJ's case, JFK had talked the talk, but was killed, and left it to LBJ to walk the walk, which he did with a vengeance on civil rights and voting rights. Any liberal who disparages LBJ is a hypocrite who never did 1/10th of 1% for their own causes that LBJ did. All mouth. Period. Had he not been abandoned by his constituency on the left, LBJ would have made Vietnam right and would have engaged in peace pursuit far sooner.

Do you know who most Vietnamese ex-pats hate the most? A guy by the name of Kissinger....not LBJ or Nixon. I still hear that, repeatedly, from the Vietnamese ex-pats I still stay in touch with to this very day. Kissinger did Nixon no favors ...actually made things worse over all....like a band-aide on gangrene.

YOu are so sure of yourself, thinking you know it all (when none of us do), but actually you know nothing of the eras of which you speak. YOu read something, or heard it on the grapevine (cue up Tina Turner and Ike). You'd fit right in with the institutionalized chumps in Washington, DC.

Aridog said...

ARM...I should have added that I actually think you mean well and want to add to a conversation. But, man, you need to hone those skills a bit...you have too many absolutes in your thinking, the very thing you suggest others suffer from otherwise.

Here's something a few of us Vietnam veterans still talk avbout to this day...we wonder how we could have been perceived by people who were about 5 feet tall in poor villages when most us of us were 6 feet tall and armed to the teeth as we walked through their pathways? Even way back then we really did try to find common ground....but you never read about that in the news papers or heard it television of the day did you?...or the reports of them since I suspect you are younger than me by decades. We really do still discuss this phenomena....last time for me was last week in fact. We still ask ourselves just what could we have done better as soldiers in a far away place where we really didn't hate anyone not shooting at us.

Here is a Mini-quiz: What was the USMC CAP program in Vietnam? Hint: It was pushed by USMC LTG Victor Krulak....and it was NOT popular with the MAC-V brass. Of course not...because it worked! Where-as, Robert (Blow Torch Bob)Komer's White house advised "Strategic Hamlets Program" did NOT work.

Any anthropologist with 15 cents worth of knowledge of ancestral cultures could have told Komer that, and he'd not have made LBJ look the fool. Bush43 advisors were equally ignorant in their hubris....for much the same reasons, odd as that is by coincidence.

Aridog said...

Fuck you Meade...it isn't like you were ever directly involved with Vietnam or any of the Iraq wars. Lydia's comment is germane, yours is merely asinine, but she is 99% quoting Bill Clinton. So, exactly what are you trying to tell us? That Clinton was a hero for his non-action? That due to your vast experience in warfare?

Trooper York said...

So you think you are "Shocking" us and "disturbing our world view?"

I assure you that is not the case. The only thing you are doing is confirm that Obama cultists have no answers to any questions about Obama's miserable failure of a Presidency except to blame Bush. You are a walking cliche my friend. But we love when you stop by. You are such a lovable loon. Keep the nonsense coming.

Trooper York said...

Of course I only speak for myself. Lem is busy at the community pool chatting up recent immigrant girls and waving his green card around. Michael Haz is at the race track huffing some gasoline from a vintage Indian motorcycle, Chip is making a Pop card with a Molotov Cocktail to send to some relatives in Missouri, chickie is busy creating plastic daiquiris and Deborah is painting some interesting slogans on a local synagogue so we have to wait until they weigh in with their opinions.

(PS phx would comment but he got busted in a McDonald's in Ferguson for abusing the free wi-fi so he is temporarily off the grid)

The Dude said...

Meade? Where? Did his mommy let him out again?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Aridog said...

LBJ had the worst advice possible from virtual idiots on warfare (Komer and McNamara) and so did Bush43 (Cheney and Rumsfeld), and both Presidents, with every good intention, were lead down a garden path of bullshit by crony capital participants in both wars. Fucking Cheney and Bush were both Nixon West Wingers for G-d's sake...how much more do you need to know? Quite frankly, if not for their naiveté's in listening to their close advisors, previously named, both LBJ and Bush were good Presidents, and I voted for both of them. In LBJ's case, JFK had talked the talk, but was killed, and left it to LBJ to walk the walk, which he did with a vengeance on civil rights and voting rights. Any liberal who disparages LBJ is a hypocrite who never did 1/10th of 1% for their own causes that LBJ did. All mouth. Period. Had he not been abandoned by his constituency on the left, LBJ would have made Vietnam right and would have engaged in peace pursuit far sooner.

Do you know who most Vietnamese ex-pats hate the most? A guy by the name of Kissinger....not LBJ or Nixon. I still hear that, repeatedly, from the Vietnamese ex-pats I still stay in touch with to this very day. Kissinger did Nixon no favors ...actually made things worse over all....like a band-aide on gangrene.



You misread me on this one. I think the left were nuts for abandoning LBJ.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trooper York said...
So you think you are "Shocking" us and "disturbing our world view?"

I assure you that is not the case.


I didn't say shocking and I was largely joking. You seem to have lost a little of your sense of humor.

We are coming to the end of Obama's presidency. Historically I think it will be seen as restorative but otherwise largely inconsequential. Not a lot he could do. The country is broke and militarily over-extended.

The Dude said...

Delusion, thy name is ARM.

Obamacare, Mexican invasion, destroying our ability to defend the country, but yeah, it's not his fault.

Aridog said...

ARM said ....

You misread me on this one. I think the left were nuts for abandoning LBJ.

But you did not say that, and I responded to what you actually said.

Y'all latter day experts will always irritate me on subjects that I lived through and you did not. Please, just let it drop.

Trooper York said...

Restorative? Seriously?

He has been the most divisive President since Nixon who is the President he most resembles.

Meade said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Michael Haz said...

@Meade - I have deleted your comments inasmuch as this is a topic I initiated, and Lem has given his co-bloggers the authority to deletes comments when they deem it beneficial to do so.

I'll re-think my policy when the blog with which you are involved eliminates its policy of comment moderation. I'm sure you understand.

-Haz


Meade said...

I mistakenly thought Lem made the post. Sorry to inadvertently disrespect your authority, Haz.

The Dude said...

Hey, look, it's the dog fucker, back stirring up shit.

Go home and fuck your dog, you pathetic wretch.

deborah said...

Oh look. Rabel summoned Meade without a pentagram.

Trooper, consider taking your mantle of self-righteousness to the cleaners, it's getting rather stinky.