There are too many laws anyway. It's impossible to enforce them all.
Lem, it isn't about enforcing all the laws all the time. It's about having them on the books so they can be enforced selectively so as to benefit the regime and its backers. You know, like the selective enforcement of the tax code by the IRS.
but why would I want to give my business to someone who doesn't want it?
To cause a stink and trouble for people that you hate. I take it this thing in Arizona got started by that wedding cake bit shop story from Colorado? That was blatantly an attempt by gays to crush the business of someone that they despise, and to preferably do it in such a way as to cause a maximum of pain for the targeted business.
Live and let live is no longer enough. Now it is about totally destroying everyone that doesn't loudly proclaim that men butt-fucking other men is the absolute pinnacle of all things good and Holy.
It's about having them on the books so they can be enforced selectively so as to benefit the regime and its backers. You know, like the selective enforcement of the tax code by the IRS.
Logically, in a world where I would rule, and not Barack, I would want to know if someone didn't want to serve me because of x,y, and z.
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't want to eat cake from someone who hated me for some reason. I would want to know so that I don't get my cake spiked or some such. I would be glad to know that information. Driving it underground seems to me to be counterproductive.
I saw a story yesterday about that Sam kid at the combine. It started with this:
NFL teams have met Michael Sam, the person. They unsurprisingly came away with glowing reviews.
Unsurprisingly? What, because he's gay he automatically is a wonderful person?
That's where things stand these days, as when Jason Collins came out last year and immediately got proclaimed a saint. Eventually there was push-back on that when at least a few people realized how badly Jason Collins had treated his one-time fiancee, but that seems forgotten now that he's back in the news again.
But then, until a couple of weeks ago Ray Rice was considered a great guy, and Ray Lewis retired as perhaps the most celebrated player in the league for his great personal leadership. You know, the leadership that that he used in an effort to help two murderers get away with it. (That's the most charitable way to describe it, and the one that he eventually admitted to in court so as to save his own ass.) Sports journalists and sport executives aren't exactly great judges of character.
Generally I object to proclaiming sporting figures great individuals, but now it is even worse as anyone that is gay is automatically assumed to be a wonderful person. And now gay athletes? I'm shocked there isn't a campaign to have the Pope declare them all living saints.
By forcing someone to do something you might create a backlash of sympathy.
The gays... while I'm somewhat sympathetic to what I believe it is that they want, the way to go about it is, to my mind, just as important as the thing, the end itself.
I favor choosing the path least resistant to our cherished protections of our freedoms.
It is about eliminating thought-crimes against the dominant regime.
Yea but, between the NSA, the hackers, and whatever I put on tweeter I really don't have much 'thought-crimes' left for Obama to bother having to eliminate...
Here's where the "you must bake my cake!!1!" scenario starts going bad.
You and I own a bakery. We're Jewish. A couple of neo-nazis come in and demand that we bake a cake that says "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler!" with ovens and emaciated Jews on the frosting. We say no, and we are taken to court and tole we can go out of business or bake the cake.
Or let's say we're black, and some klanners come to our bakery and request a cake that says "kill the Niggers!" and has a noose hanging from a tree limb on the frosting. The law says we can't say no.
Or a couple of guys from NAMBLA want a cake that portrays pedophilia.
Or going full circle, the Westboro Baptist church demands that a bakery owned by a couple of liberal atheists bakes a cake that says "Kill the Fags! They are going to burn in hell!!" The bakery can't say no now, can they? The precedent has been set.
The Anchoress has an excellent post on related matters.
"It’s too bad that laws and courts must become involved with what used to be the simplest of lessons: Not everyone thinks the same way, but everyone is entitled to their opinions; if that kid won’t play with you—or that baker will not make your cake—someone else will, so just kiss them up to God, and move on."
There are ways businesses can control who they serve.
When I was in the Philippines, I went in a bar right outside Clark AB. There was a large confederate flag on the wall behind the bar. There was nothing otherwise southern, biker, or country about the bar. I asked about the flag. The bartender said that it keeps the blacks out. We can't ban them because the base would make us off-limits to all GIs. They come in, see that flag and leave.
I don't think those Christian bakers and wedding photographers would use that method though.
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I don't even care enough about this story to read about it.
Enjoy the Traffic, Icepick. :)
There is that!
Now THIS I find interesting.
And in case the CNS link makes anyone nervous, here's a link to a similar story on The Hill. The Hill notes sniffily that "the group has “deep conservative ties.”"
Thanks for the links, Icepick.
I don't know how I feel about this one way or the other.
Well, that US AG Holder is calling for State AG's to ignore their own laws should raise an eyebrow, no matter what the underlying issue.
This is just me... but why would I want to give my business to someone who doesn't want it?
I don't get that?
US AG Holder is calling for State AG's to ignore their own laws...
He is just saying that because ignoring the laws (the one Obama doesn't like) is working out fine and dandy for him and his boss at 'Justice'.
He is just spreading the good news... that you don't have to enforce all the laws.
There are too many laws anyway. It's impossible to enforce them all.
Oh, in that case Lem, there's really nothing to see here.
Enjoy the Traffic!
Oh, in that case Lem, there's really nothing to see here.
It's the Justice Roberts way... "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices."
We are going to have a term limited dictatorship of 8 years... or as many as many as some future president will designate.
We are getting what we voted for.
Do you still have to have money to get service?
That seems kind of unfair.
There are too many laws anyway. It's impossible to enforce them all.
Lem, it isn't about enforcing all the laws all the time. It's about having them on the books so they can be enforced selectively so as to benefit the regime and its backers. You know, like the selective enforcement of the tax code by the IRS.
The pressure mounts.
The NFL is threatening to pull the Super Bowl if the governor doesn't do the 'right thing'.
but why would I want to give my business to someone who doesn't want it?
To cause a stink and trouble for people that you hate. I take it this thing in Arizona got started by that wedding cake bit shop story from Colorado? That was blatantly an attempt by gays to crush the business of someone that they despise, and to preferably do it in such a way as to cause a maximum of pain for the targeted business.
Live and let live is no longer enough. Now it is about totally destroying everyone that doesn't loudly proclaim that men butt-fucking other men is the absolute pinnacle of all things good and Holy.
It's about having them on the books so they can be enforced selectively so as to benefit the regime and its backers. You know, like the selective enforcement of the tax code by the IRS.
I think you mean Kindle. Print is dead.
Logically, in a world where I would rule, and not Barack, I would want to know if someone didn't want to serve me because of x,y, and z.
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't want to eat cake from someone who hated me for some reason. I would want to know so that I don't get my cake spiked or some such. I would be glad to know that information. Driving it underground seems to me to be counterproductive.
I saw a story yesterday about that Sam kid at the combine. It started with this:
NFL teams have met Michael Sam, the person. They unsurprisingly came away with glowing reviews.
Unsurprisingly? What, because he's gay he automatically is a wonderful person?
That's where things stand these days, as when Jason Collins came out last year and immediately got proclaimed a saint. Eventually there was push-back on that when at least a few people realized how badly Jason Collins had treated his one-time fiancee, but that seems forgotten now that he's back in the news again.
But then, until a couple of weeks ago Ray Rice was considered a great guy, and Ray Lewis retired as perhaps the most celebrated player in the league for his great personal leadership. You know, the leadership that that he used in an effort to help two murderers get away with it. (That's the most charitable way to describe it, and the one that he eventually admitted to in court so as to save his own ass.) Sports journalists and sport executives aren't exactly great judges of character.
Generally I object to proclaiming sporting figures great individuals, but now it is even worse as anyone that is gay is automatically assumed to be a wonderful person. And now gay athletes? I'm shocked there isn't a campaign to have the Pope declare them all living saints.
By forcing someone to do something you might create a backlash of sympathy.
The gays... while I'm somewhat sympathetic to what I believe it is that they want, the way to go about it is, to my mind, just as important as the thing, the end itself.
I favor choosing the path least resistant to our cherished protections of our freedoms.
I think you mean Kindle. Print is dead.
I still know actuaries that prowl printed versions of the ERISA laws, Lem. It's not dead, it's just pinin' for the fjords.
Lem, it isn't about protecting freedom. It is about eliminating thought-crimes against the dominant regime.
It is about eliminating thought-crimes against the dominant regime.
Yea but, between the NSA, the hackers, and whatever I put on tweeter I really don't have much 'thought-crimes' left for Obama to bother having to eliminate...
I want to stay out of trouble ;)
I'm just messing with you Pick.
It seems like argument for less freedom is in thing today.
There is really not much thought involved.
It seems like argument for less freedom is in thing today.
We live in a disturbingly fascist time.
Lem, you haven't done anything to piss me off today(!), not unless you've proclaimed Peyton Manning a saint on some other thread.
Then we're good.
Here's where the "you must bake my cake!!1!" scenario starts going bad.
You and I own a bakery. We're Jewish. A couple of neo-nazis come in and demand that we bake a cake that says "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler!" with ovens and emaciated Jews on the frosting. We say no, and we are taken to court and tole we can go out of business or bake the cake.
Or let's say we're black, and some klanners come to our bakery and request a cake that says "kill the Niggers!" and has a noose hanging from a tree limb on the frosting. The law says we can't say no.
Or a couple of guys from NAMBLA want a cake that portrays pedophilia.
Or going full circle, the Westboro Baptist church demands that a bakery owned by a couple of liberal atheists bakes a cake that says "Kill the Fags! They are going to burn in hell!!" The bakery can't say no now, can they? The precedent has been set.
How ridiculous.
Can't wait to see what Holder says when AGs ignore Choom's Executive Orders.
Lem said...
The pressure mounts.
The NFL is threatening to pull the Super Bowl if the governor doesn't do the 'right thing'
Don't let the door hit ya...
The Anchoress has an excellent post on related matters.
"It’s too bad that laws and courts must become involved with what used to be the simplest of lessons: Not everyone thinks the same way, but everyone is entitled to their opinions; if that kid won’t play with you—or that baker will not make your cake—someone else will, so just kiss them up to God, and move on."
There are ways businesses can control who they serve.
When I was in the Philippines, I went in a bar right outside Clark AB. There was a large confederate flag on the wall behind the bar. There was nothing otherwise southern, biker, or country about the bar. I asked about the flag. The bartender said that it keeps the blacks out. We can't ban them because the base would make us off-limits to all GIs. They come in, see that flag and leave.
I don't think those Christian bakers and wedding photographers would use that method though.
@Lem: Thanks for the thoughtful link to "The Anchoress."
@Lem: Thanks for the thoughtful link to "The Anchoress."
First things first... who's keeping track?
Ok, you are. And I'm very grateful.
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