Friday, October 18, 2013

Just Another Gulch In The System


I said:
Low enrollment in Obamacare has so far been blamed on glitches in the system. Another reason is quite possibly that potential enrollees fear the secondary consequences of signing up: for immigrants, increased scrutiny of immigration status; for many poor, increased IRS scrutiny.

Aridog said:
El Pollo Raylon .... you are much closer to a real truth than you might imagine.
I live in a "sea" of immigrants from two parts of the world. (Middle East and Latin America, primarily Mexico) I assure you that a good many of them are cautious about both ICE and the IRS. "The poor" as I have now come to "define" them in accordance with the PPACA have considerable to conceal in order to maintain their eligibility for other subsidy issues, such as SNAP, "Obamaphones," other supplemental assistance like Section 8 housing (significant issue in an urban area where "cheap" rent for a flat is $1000+), and yes, SSI for "disability". The latter is a corrupt system, over utilized by many who never really contributed much to it, that does not encourage enrollees to get better if they can...in fact it punishes them for it. 
I know one man, definitely disabled buy a gunshot, who has found he can do certain work, which is good for his physical well being and self respect, and does it for customers...but he gave up a $800 per week gig we arranged for him due to fear of a Form 1099...and having to pay back years of SSI payments. Whether his fear is founded in fact is immaterial, it IS the belief on the street...and it is at least partially true for a certain time period if he should earn too much. Negative incentive...BF Skinner would have loved it. 
Hell, try to figure out going back to work once you've applied for regular Social Security. It really does seem to me that our government has designed a system that retains one in a category even when they could rise above it. Such as: You are poor and we will insure you stay that way. 
The was the real issue Phx and I debated regarding Chip Ahoy's post about the stimulus impact of providing or withdrawing stimulus. IN designing our system it appears we have skipped the adage of "first, do no harm."
Join the discussion before it becomes a bigger discussion or is muted.

22 comments:

test said...

A petition on the MoveOn.org website is calling for the Department of Justice to arrest some House Republican leaders for their roles in the government shutdown and debt-ceiling debates.

The petition presently has more than 29,000 signatures...

Read more: http://thehill.com/


Ah, those moderate lefties.

YoungHegelian said...

Add to that list of those who have something to fear, the "Young Invincibles", who have grown up in a world where their peers routinely get stung by public exposure of private information on social media.

Those who read the news know that the healthcare.gov web site is a mess, and they know that probably means that web site security is a mess, too. All it'll take is one leak of insuree data, and the fork will be in the potato.

Aridog said...

YoungHegelian said...

All it'll take is one leak of insuree data, and the fork will be in the potato.

Yes indeed. And the purpose of keeping people in their assigned place will have been accomplished. Welcome to the new plantation.

Here's an example of two things:

1. The conditioning of man to become sheep. You shall not act on behalf or your own or your neighbor's well being. It is not your job. Acquiesse immediately.

2. Why I never have and never will shop at a Wal-Mart. They are complicit in the transformation by their actions.

The Crack Emcee said...

It's so much simpler than you guys make out:

Nobody knows what's going on - they don't understand.

The stuff you guys are focussing on - glitches and whatnot - don't matter to anyone I've talked to, because they still haven't fully grasped what's on offer, or how it works.

Aridog said...

Crack said...

... glitches and whatnot - don't matter to anyone I've talked to, because they still haven't fully grasped what's on offer, or how it works.

They are not supposed to figure it out. That IS the entire point. They are merely expected to comply. Acquiesce! The new watch word.

I do agree that the "glitches" and shit like that are not the main event...or even relevant to it.

I have heard just about everyone in this fandango call the CR's a "budget" ....from the President, his advisors, down to almost everyone in Congress. We have no budget, and haven't for 4+ years....Congress needs merely to enact the perpetual lump sump appropriation with a feature built in that allows the Executive Branch to increase it at will.

Then we're all done, pure autocracy is what we will have and nearly have already.

Aridog said...

OH...and Crack, you bastard, you got me talking about LDS under ware a while ago, which of course I had to look up, and now, to this very frigging day I am still getting advertisements for LDS under ware on sundry websites.

I been GoogleMcFucked and its all your fault!!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

We have decided rather than expose ourselves to the threat of identity theft, IRS scrutiny and divulging our personal information to God knows what kind of partisan or criminal scum they have working in this corrupt system.......we will just pay the penalty next year.

In mid 2014 my husband will be signed up for Medicare and have a supplemental policy. I will just continue flying without a net for another year myself. Instead of paying $800 a month for insurance for ME.....that I don't need and will (barring a freak accident) never use we will set those premiums aside for our own use. Self insure.

The less the government knows about me....the better I feel about it. I have nothing to hide. It just isn't any of their business.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

@ Aridog

Google outdoor cat houses or Black and Decker Drills......the ads will change. When I get real tired of all that ....I google yarn and get pretty colorful ads for a while.

Aridog said...

DBQ ... my most recent Internet queries have been for leather pistol holsters but they don't seem to pop up ad hoc...still with the LDS bvd's. I shall try the Black & Decker bit...that may work. Or yarn. I can make fishing lures or something.

chickelit said...

The Crack Emcee said...

The stuff you guys are focussing on - glitches and whatnot - don't matter to anyone I've talked to, because they still haven't fully grasped what's on offer, or how it works.

People, people we are the same
No we're not the same
Cause we don't know the game
What we need is awareness, we can't get careless


Even in the free market it's called pooled risk. It's part of assimilation--a word which strictly speaking means to make similar--not identity.

Methadras said...

The Crack Emcee said...

It's so much simpler than you guys make out:

Nobody knows what's going on - they don't understand.

The stuff you guys are focussing on - glitches and whatnot - don't matter to anyone I've talked to, because they still haven't fully grasped what's on offer, or how it works.


You've just described magic, hence NewAge.

AllenS said...

I'm not sure how long it took to create the Grand Canyon, but at this rate the Obama Care Gulch will turn into Grand Canyon 2.0 shortly.

The Crack Emcee said...

Aridog,

They are not supposed to figure it out. That IS the entire point. They are merely expected to comply. Acquiesce! The new watch word.

O.K., "acquiesce" is the new watch word, but - to be honest with you - it looks a lot more like "kicking back and waiting."

I do agree that the "glitches" and shit like that are not the main event...or even relevant to it.

Then why harp on it? All it does is make the Right look petty.

It would be so much more effective if they saw a lot of problems while trying to "help"...

The Crack Emcee said...

Aridog,

I been GoogleMcFucked and its all your fault!!

Don't blame me - I warned you:

I was in Utah TWO DAYS and they were on to me,...

Methadras said...

The Crack Emcee said...

Aridog,

They are not supposed to figure it out. That IS the entire point. They are merely expected to comply. Acquiesce! The new watch word.

O.K., "acquiesce" is the new watch word, but - to be honest with you - it looks a lot more like "kicking back and waiting."

I do agree that the "glitches" and shit like that are not the main event...or even relevant to it.

Then why harp on it? All it does is make the Right look petty.

It would be so much more effective if they saw a lot of problems while trying to "help"...


You do remember how this unwritten law was passed right? 2 years of discussion, all leading to a late night weekend vote without a single republican vote for it in the house and with bought off republican votes in the senate. Alternatives tables by Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi saying we have to pass it to know what's in it because they were passing the framework of Hillarycare (not Romneycare). Obama was lying when he said he used RomneyCare as the framework and you fell for it. People didn't want Hillarycare or the Health Security Act of 1993 because they knew then as they know now what it was going to do. It was an unknown law that hadn't been fleshed out and even back then Democrats didn't support it.

Was it petty back then like it was petty now?

chickelit said...

I ain't harpin' on glitches...

gulches!

The Crack Emcee said...

Methadras,

You've just described magic, hence NewAge.

I told you that's what The Man From O.P.R.A.H. was bringing, didn't I?

William said...

How many glitches in a snafu? how many snafus in a cluster fuck? How many cluster fucks in a systemic failure?

The Crack Emcee said...

Meth,

Was it petty back then like it was petty now?

Nope - but there's that sweep of history, I keep coming back to, that you guys want to deny exists.

I don't want to go into how the Right blew it, but they blew it, and all we can do is go forward now.

Do we continue doing what doesn't work? is the question,...

edutcher said...

Again, a lot of these people thought this would be free.

Now they find out what it's going to cost and bail.

Marshal said...

A petition on the MoveOn.org website is calling for the Department of Justice to arrest some House Republican leaders for their roles in the government shutdown and debt-ceiling debates.

Scratch any Lefty and you get somebody who walked the naked Jewish women to the "showers".

The Crack Emcee said...

William,

How many glitches in a snafu? how many snafus in a cluster fuck? How many cluster fucks in a systemic failure?

And if a tree falls in the forest and nobody CARES to hear it, what's the point of repeating it?

chickelit said...

Fight The Glower!