"Sex with all women as long as you want, as often as you want and the way you want.
Sex. Anal sex. Oral sex without a condom. Three-ways. Group sex. Gang bangs." The price: €70 during the day and €100 in the evening.
Subtitle: Why I'm not completely sold on libertarianism. Some of this is quite hard to read.
According to the police, about 1,700 customers took advantage of the offer on the opening weekend. Buses arrived from far away and local newspapers reported that up to 700 men stood in line outside the brothel. Afterwards, customers wrote in Internet chat rooms about the supposedly unsatisfactory service, complaining that the women were no longer as fit for use after a few hours....
The going rate for oral sex and intercourse used to be €40 on Geestemünder Strasse. But when the nearby city of Dortmund closed its streetwalking area, more women came to Cologne, says Alia. "There are more and more women now, and they drop their prices so that they'll make something at all," she complains. Bulgarian and Romanian women sometimes charge less than €10, she says. "One woman here will even do it for a Big Mac."
Legalization of prostitution was pushed through by the Greens in Germany, and was trumpeted as a great leap forward for the rights of women. The right to slobber on some pig's knob for a small hamburger slathered in thousand island dressing.
49 comments:
On the one hand... Ewwwww...
On the other hand... supply and demand... and Ewwwww...
I don't know how anyone thinks that sex work is liberating or empowering or anything other than degrading and skanky.
But it sounds like prostitution requires government supression to keep the prices up when general moral suppression has failed.
This is why I'm conservative. Libertarian-ish conservative, but still conservative.
When I was young and lived in the inner city I knew several prostitutes who lived nearby. They were all serious drug addicts. The personal freedom aspect of prostitution becomes blurred when it is driven in large part by the drug addiction of the women involved. It is nonsensical to legalize prostitution without first legalizing drugs, because the two issues are so intertwined. There will always be prostitutes but it would be a lot more difficult to attract younger women into the trade without the lure of cheap drugs.
"Afterwards, customers wrote in Internet chat rooms about the supposedly unsatisfactory service, complaining that the women were no longer as fit for use after a few hours...."
LOL
A number of problems exacerbate the conditions described, most notably unrestricted travel and locked currency within an area with extreme variability in economic conditions. Even as someone who believes the best society we could devise would include legal prostitution I agree there would have to be many other painful choices necessary first.
I believe the phrase goes, "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature".
And Mother Nature has a way of getting back, it's called venereal disease and they're getting nastier all the time.
You people are deprived of sex.
Go get laid and if you can't because you are hideous looking then pay for it and get it over with.
tits.
"One woman here will even do it for a Big Mac."
So that's why they call it a Happy Meal.
I will gladly fuck you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
So sad, actually.
On the other hand, I would give a nice back-rub for a piece of El Pollo's pie.
Can you imagine having to raise daughters, or sons for that matter, in a country where women are displayed in shop windows?
Sure, this sort of abuse and exploitation exists over here. But at least I don't have to confront it walking my daughters to the ice cream shop. This has to warp young minds. This is why conservatives stand athwart history (or however the saying goes) and shout "stop".
Can't we go even a few hours without mentioning TOP?
Have any of you done oral? The pube running for governor doesn't approve. Sinners.
tits.
The pube from Virginia that is.
How can somebody not enjoy and accept oral?
That is fucked up.
Synova -- yeah, I don't know how you'd prevent this sort of market pressure from driving prices down to the point that women become so degraded, so commoditized, that their services can be traded for a really bad hamburger that's mostly bun.
Or where you'd set what we would consider a reasonable price. Ewww, indeed. Some of the stories of girls they bring in from rural areas of eastern Europe are just heartbreaking -- girls waiting for a white knight to rescue them, and then a pimp shows up in a Mercedes and they end up essentially sex slaves.
Now, clearly the authors have an agenda, and this article is somewhat slanted. And I don't think I endorse what they seem to consider the solution -- the Swedish method, where they criminalize the johns, but not the prostitutes. That seems a little anti-mens-rights to me -- if the act is illegal, it seems as though it should be illegal for both participants. But this article is a pretty comprehensive refutation, I think, of the myth of the prostitute entrepreneur that would be liberated by legalization.
Yeah, Titus, what a pube. Why couldn't they field a better candidate, like Eliot Spitzer or Anthony Wiener?
"Afterwards, customers wrote in Internet chat rooms about the supposedly unsatisfactory service, complaining that the women were no longer as fit for use after a few hours...."
Perhaps they should have a whole paragraph, in 4 point font, to disclaim that "results may vary with usage" or
"This ___________ (type of product) is provided as is without any guarantees or warranty" or
"no warranties of any kind, either express or implied, including but not limited to warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, of title, or of noninfringement of third party rights."
And ESPECIALLY: Use of the product by a user is at the user’s risk.
I also have libertarian leanings, within reason. Public health (immunization and quarantine of epidemic diseases) and non oppression of certain segments of the population IS a function of government. Limited government.
AReasonableMan said...
When I was young and lived in the inner city I knew several prostitutes who lived nearby. They were all serious drug addicts. The personal freedom aspect of prostitution becomes blurred when it is driven in large part by the drug addiction of the women involved. It is nonsensical to legalize prostitution without first legalizing drugs, because the two issues are so intertwined. There will always be prostitutes but it would be a lot more difficult to attract younger women into the trade without the lure of cheap drugs.
So you legalize drugs to alleviate the drug addicted prostitute to get more drugs, so they can have their prostitution legalized so they can earn their money legally, pay taxes on both, so they can continue their race to destruction faster or at least unhindered.
All the while the unintended consequence is that people who normally wouldn't have turned to drugs can consider it since the legality issue is resolved, so they can become addicted and continue the cycle of self-destruction unhindered.
We watched The Verdict (1982) the other night, and it had this gem of a joke in it:
[telling the joke to the others in the bar]
Frank Galvin: So Pat says, he says, "They got this new bar... and you go inside and for half a buck you get a beer, a free lunch and they take you in the back room - they get you laid... Mike says, "Now wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you mean to say there's a new bar and you go inside and for a half a buck they give you a beer, a free lunch and they take you in the back room and they get you laid?" Pat says, "That's right." "Have you ever been in the bar?" And he says, "No, but me sister has."
That is so romantical. I know what you ladies are thinking: Hey why can't we stand in line to bang some guy who banged 50 girls last night. Well, because it's a man's world baby.
Let me put it this way:
Sorry Girls
I just can't stand the commercials that now proceed every piece of video on the Net. I know the value of advertizing, but our culture is strangled in it. Everywhere your eyes land there is an ad waiting for you, and now you have to wait for them all damned day. It sucks. I hate it so much that my company has never advertised, other than on our own website, which I won't even offer here, because I like you people, and your money probably smells of elderberries.
"Sure, this sort of abuse and exploitation exists over here. But at least I don't have to confront it walking my daughters to the ice cream shop."
I'm not a very good libertarian because while I believe that a whole lot of things should be legal, I also think that it makes sense to have a sense of public decency so that while people are free to *chose* a large number of things, they aren't *forced* to participate in order to be in public themselves. People (and certainly children) have a right to be in pubic places.
In my mind it's the difference between a guy's right to masturbate by himself or with consenting others... or a guy masturbating with non-consenting others on a public street or playground.
Spreken ze splooge?
That sounds like a great future for women. Sort of like the "furniture" in Soylent Green.
bago:
"I just can't stand the commercials that now proceed every piece of video on the Net. I know the value of advertizing, but our culture is strangled in it. Everywhere your eyes land there is an ad waiting for you, and now you have to wait for them all damned day. It sucks. I hate it so much that my company has never advertised, other than on our own website, which I won't even offer here, because I like you people, and your money probably smells of elderberries."
Run your damn commercial, but don't jack the volume up.
There must be something in the German translation that makes this sound worse than it is.
There is such a matrix of lies embedded in people's brains that lets them believe that this somehow is a good thing.
There is such a matrix of lies embedded in people's brains that lets them believe that this somehow is a good thing.
Ooo, that was good.
Methadras said...
All the while the unintended consequence is that people who normally wouldn't have turned to drugs can consider it since the legality issue is resolved, so they can become addicted and continue the cycle of self-destruction unhindered.
Read rationally, I was criticizing a purely libertarian approach to prostitution because it is complicated, if you have ever known any of the young women involved.
In general I think the war on drugs has been a total scam, but that is a separate issue.
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...
There must be something in the German translation that makes this sound worse than it is.
Geestemünder Strasse translates as "mouth of the Geeste." The Geeste is a river in Germany. "Geeste" in turn means barren, dry, sandy, land
"Sandy mouth" sex sounds gritty and painful.
Geestemünder Strasse translates as "mouth of the Geeste street."
Synova??
"People (and certainly children) have a right to be in *pubic* places."
Sometimes typos are the best :)
Lol, justagal...
Er... say I didn't do that.
Ack!
You didn't do that...
Except...
You did, lol.
Freeman, there is a book written by Gregory A. Boyd and Al Larson that you might find interesting (or not..). The tile starts with "Escaping The Matrix". Check Amazon. A friend who I treasure recommended it to me.
"Sex with all the women you want as often as you want as long as you want..." If they can get the logistics of this straightened out, there will be no suicide bombers recruited in Germany..
Thanks, Haz. Sent a sample to the Kindle just now.
Evi L. Bloggerlady,
That sounds like a great future for women. Sort of like the "furniture" in Soylent Green.
HEY!
Me and my baby, End Table, resent that,...
There's something about the way German women say, "Yah, do you think I'm sexy?" that just,...isn't.
But that's NOTHIN' compared to the Russians,...
Sigh. What a sad thing. In its wisdom my Church teaches that it is a sin to use other people as objects. Life is so much easier and simpler and less painful all around when we don't do that.
I Have Misplaced My Pants,
Sigh. What a sad thing. In its wisdom my Church teaches that it is a sin to use other people as objects.
Oh, NOW you tell me,...
You know, that's a funny thing to say - considering you're the one with no pants on,..
Why the assumption that prostitution is a libertarian thing?
Western Europe is no bastion of libertarianism. Morally they are secularly pragmatic, and as a result, they try through government means to normalize basic human behavior (they don't call prostitution the world's oldest profession for nothing). If they can glean tax dollars in the process, it's win-win for them.
If you think this kind of public depravity is new, then you've never been to Amsterdam.
A core principle of libertarianism is not about getting high and paying for sex.
We have a word for people who want to smoke weed and engage in promiscuity outside of marriage: Democrats.
While libertarianism seeks to be free of centralized government, it doesn't mean you can't have a local government whose rules reflect the will of the populace. So let's say at the federal level, maybe even the state level, it is legal to smoke dope and practice prostitution. It doesn't mean that at the local level you can't outlaw it, or limit it to zoned areas at certain times, or say it can't happen in public byways. Freedom from federal government means that Eric Holder can't sweep in with his team of DOJ partisan race-hustlers and force a locality to have public prostitution and pot parties.
To me, a conservative stance means conserving the local control that was present during the early years of this country. This approach isn't perfect, as you may say 'well, I guess slavery can be re-instituted at the local level then'; no, no it can't. There is still a basic framework of moral laws that are necessary, such as no murdering or slavery, and libertarians realize that. Religious people see morality as proscribed by a higher power; atheists see morality as a common-sense approach that has either evolved in humans or is simply innate in humans. Either way, we all agree that there are some tried-and-true rules to be followed for a polite society. Libertarianism does not reject that premise, despite what you may have snidely heard on TV or radio.
Freedom from federal government means that Eric Holder can't sweep in with his team of DOJ partisan race-hustlers and force a locality to have public prostitution and pot parties.
This should also apply to Erich Holder swooping in and forcing a repeal of stand your ground laws and rules in localities and states.
Rabel said...
Spreken ze splooge?
Skeet skeet skeet
I was a conservative that moved a bit more libertarian when W was in office (just can't stand the decision that became DHS). Right now, I don't claim anything, because it seems people, who don't claim a side, are the ones other people seek to sway.
If various things are litmus tests, I'll pick two things and let others read the results.
Prostitution: Like Marshall, I think an ideal world wouldn't care if a financial transaction occurred for an opportunity to engage in sex. I don't live in that world, and lacking it; I prefer prosecutorial discretion or better, discretion between the people involved in the act.
Drugs: I like alcohol. I think marijuana is no worse than alcohol based on stories I've heard of people who dealt with drunks and stoners. I have never used marijuana and doubt I ever would. I'm also missing the issue with HGH, other than it messes up statistics for sports. People want those statistics messed up, but they also want a purity in how it is done that I don't think ever existed. Otherwise, I do think it wise to regulate certain drugs, and it takes a government to do it.
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